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DEI SmartStart to EVO-ONE data-link cable modification

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Hi,

When reviewing the guide (DEI SmartStart to EVO-ONE), there are only pictures showing "how" to modify the dtaa-link cable to connect both the EVO-ONE and SmartStart units together. Can you describe how to do this in words, please, as the pictures are unclear? Thanks.
asked Jan 16, 2015 in Kia by LaCorey Will (420 points)
retagged Jan 19, 2015 by Robert T

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Just plug it in. The modification only shows cutting an extra part of the harness (picture 2) that doesn't connect anywhere.

The datalink cable has three ends. The black end with the clip plugs into the middle blue connector of the EVO-ONE. The white connector plugs into the SmartStart datalink connector. The left over smaller black connector does not connect to anything.

 

answered Jan 16, 2015 by Robert T (300,090 points)
I got the Smartstart VSM250 (GPS module), and the data cable that came with it does not have any connectors that fit the middle light-blue connector (DATA-LINK ANTENNA). The white connector fits into the dark-blue connector (ANTENNA). Is there a way around this? Can you also check both the bypass and remote-starter settings to make sure they are configured properly, please? I played around with them trying to get it to work, but I probably wasn't connected correctly anyway based on your previous post. Thanks.
commented Jan 17, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)
On Sunday I went to Best Buy and obtained an old data cable they had laying around that fit the middle blue connector. I had to reconfigure the pins to match that of layout in the instructions, and I think I have the layout correct as the Smartstart gets power from the EVO-ONE without using it's own power connection (although I get a low voltage alert from the smartstart unit). I am still not able to get a green light from the SmartStart unit that it's communicating with the EVO-ONE. Int he instructions of the SmartStart unit, it explains "for systems with combines 4-pin ESP/D2D ports, you cannot use an interface module in D2D mode when using a SmartStart module. You must use W2W on the bypass module." Not sure if this means anything or how to do it. Thanks.
commented Jan 18, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)

ESP is DEI's own protocol. So make sure the SmartStart is actually set to D2D protocol. On their remote starters, they have a special procedure that knocks remote starters out of ESP2 and into D2D (maybe the have a similar procedure for the SmartStart i dunno). Also, the EVO-ONE has to be set to have the XL202 option enabled. Once eveything is setup, you have to do a learn routine that pairs both EVO-ONE and SmartStart.

 

As for the cable. You would not be using what comes in the SmartStart box. The required cable is pretty much the same cable found in every EVO-ALL box. 

"for systems with combines 4-pin ESP/D2D ports, you cannot use an interface module in D2D mode when using a SmartStart module. You must use W2W on the bypass module."

They just want to force people with their own products.  I shouldn't say that but it's true. The 250 works fine in D2D. Go read through this post which also talks about the cable. http://wirecolor.com/en/qa/27243/evo-one-bypass-settings-for-dei-dsm250?show=27243#q27243 

commented Jan 19, 2015 by Robert T (300,090 points)

I am still not able to get a green light from the SmartStart unit that it's communicating with the EVO-ONE

The Green light on the SmartStart is normally a confirmation that their unit actually connected to their own network. So make sure you have your subscription with them already set up. Their own tech support may be able to help you with this.

commented Jan 19, 2015 by Robert T (300,090 points)
I have to disagree. The green light is a status of the communication between the bypass module and the SmartStart. The orang elight is the indicator of network communication. I have the orange light, and I have a service plan.

What I need to know at this point is:

1) Which connector on the EVO-ONE does the SmartStart need to be connected to....Data-link antenna or antenna? The SmartStart only came with cable to connect to the antenna port, but not data-link antenna.

2) What is the pin layout for the data-link antenna and antenna connectors on the EVO-ONE unit? I need to ensure I have the cable pins configured correctly...Rx and Tx more specfically.

3) Are my settings correct on my EVO-ONE unit? I was playing around with the D2D settings, but am not sure if they need to be changed being that the guide never mentioned them. I'm assuming they will need to be.

4) Do you know how I can configure the SmartStart as a consumer?
commented Jan 19, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)

I have to disagree.

Meh, girlfriend tells me this all the time.

1) Which connector on the EVO-ONE does the SmartStart need to be connected to....Data-link antenna or antenna? The SmartStart only came with cable to connect to the antenna port, but not data-link antenna.

Goes into the middle Connector B labeled as data-link antenna. As mentionned earlier, you would not be using the cable that came with the SmartStart.

2) What is the pin layout for the data-link antenna and antenna connectors on the EVO-ONE unit? I need to ensure I have the cable pins configured correctly...Rx and Tx more specfically.

First picture in Step 8 of the PDF shows you how the pin outs align. The white connector in the picture is what plugs into the SmartStart while the black one is what plugs into the EVO-ONE.

3) Are my settings correct on my EVO-ONE unit? I was playing around with the D2D settings, but am not sure if they need to be changed being that the guide never mentioned them. I'm assuming they will need to be.

This is an offline option and we don't access to see if it's activated. There is only 1 option that needs to be enabled and it's in the remote starter options and not in the bypass options. This is Step 6 in the PDF for setting up EVO-ONE with SmartStart.  I would recommend a master reset to the bypass side of the EVO-ONE (don't change any options in the bypass options afterwards).

4) Do you know how I can configure the SmartStart as a consumer?

Not sure what you mean here. You may need to contact them.

NOTE: During step 10 of the PDF, where it says Press the LOCK button, you actually have to go into the web app for this and press lock there. This step is crucial and allows pairing the EVO-ONE to the smartstart.

 

MASTER RESET PROCEDURE FOR BYPASS: This will reset the bypass half and also set options back to default in the bypass options.

  1. Hold down programming button while plugging in main power.
  2. Let go of button when LED is RED.
  3. Push and hold button again until all three LEDs start to alternate.
  4. Disconnect unit, she is now reset.

 

commented Jan 19, 2015 by Robert T (300,090 points)

Goes into the middle Connector B labeled as data-link antenna. As mentionned earlier, you would not be using the cable that came with the SmartStart.

 

First picture in Step 8 of the PDF shows you how the pin outs align. The white connector in the picture is what plugs into the SmartStart while the black one is what plugs into the EVO-ONE.

 

The cable I needed didn't come with the EVO-ONE or the SmartStart. Luckily, Best Buy had it. I simply rearranged the pins.

 

This is an offline option and we don't access to see if it's activated. There is only 1 option that needs to be enabled and it's in the remote starter options and not in the bypass options. This is Step 6 in the PDF for setting up EVO-ONE with SmartStart.  I would recommend a master reset to the bypass side of the EVO-ONE (don't change any options in the bypass options afterwards).

 

When I called in, I was told I had to enable the D2D option as well as H4. This is not in the instructions. At this point, I don't know what is correct because I'm getting comflicting information.

 

Not sure what you mean here. You may need to contact them.

NOTE: During step 10 of the PDF, where it says Press the LOCK button, you actually have to go into the web app for this and press lock there. This step is crucial and allows pairing the EVO-ONE to the smartstart.

 

I did not perform this step as it didn't make sense to me, but now that I know I have to use the app, it makes a lot of sense now. Haha! One of your other responses mentioned having to pair the unit, but I was not sure what that meant, but makes sense now.

Another question: When I originally installed the EVO-ONE, I never wired the bypass relay (red 5-pin harness) and the EVO-ONE remote starts perfectly. Will I need to wire this in for the SmartStart to work? Is that harness only for W2W mode? I'm assuming the SmartStart web app uses D2D for everything including lock status, etc? 

commented Jan 19, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)

When I called in, I was told I had to enable the D2D option as well as H4. This is not in the instructions. At this point, I don't know what is correct because I'm getting comflicting information.

This is unfortunately totally wrong for the EVO-ONE. Those options are for the EVO-ALL (curious to know who you spoke too). Technically, the H4 option is not even functional in the EVO-ONE. You will see it available in offline options because there is no way for the Flash-Link Manager to allow different offline options for all our products. The online options though, will not show you H4. I would really do a master reset to the bypass at this point. This will set everything back to default in the bypass options (you will need to reprogram the module to the car afterwards). The only option you need to enable is in the remote starter settings as stated in that PDF.

The cable I needed didn't come with the EVO-ONE or the SmartStart. Luckily, Best Buy had it. I simply rearranged the pins.

We will most likely make a harness for this type of setup (evo-one + smartstart) in the future. Shops normally have datalink cables laying around everywhere since every single bypass box has one.

Another question: When I originally installed the EVO-ONE, I never wired the bypass relay (red 5-pin harness) and the EVO-ONE remote starts perfectly. Will I need to wire this in for the SmartStart to work? Is that harness only for W2W mode? I'm assuming the SmartStart web app uses D2D for everything including lock status, etc?

I am assuming you meant the 6-pin red connector? You don't need it all in this installation. It has nothing to do with datalink and wire-to-wire connections either. It's really dependant on the actual installation.

 

At this point, I would do the following....

  1. Master Reset the bypass side of the EVO-ONE with the procedure i wrote in the previous post
  2. reprogram the EVO-ONE to the vehicle as per instructions in the vehicle installation guide
  3. bring the EVO-ONE to the computer. Make sure that on the bottom right of the screen it says Connection Mode : Remote Starter before connecting the unit. If it says Connection Mode : Bypass, hit the TOGGLE button so that it swaps over to Connection Mode : Remote Starter then connect the EVO-ONE.
    • Hit the letter O on the keyboard
    • Make sure XL202 is selected
    • Click Save Options (window will close by itself)
    • Disconnect unit and reconnect in vehicle.
  4. Plug in your EVO-ONE and the SmartStart (make sure that datalink cable has the pins correct)
  5. Follow that magical Step 10 of the PDF which pairs he units.

 

If you want, send me pictures to support@ifar.ca of the datalink cable you are using, where it's connected on the EVO-ONE and also a picture of it connected to the SmartStart cable. Just make sure pictures show pin locations from both ends of the cable. Does not have to be in the car, connect the data cable from evo to smartstart on your desk or something, grab a picture, send it over.

commented Jan 19, 2015 by Robert T (300,090 points)
I'll send pics.

 

I can't enter the programming mode using the valet switch for step 10. I've done it quickly after pressing start/stop button twice to turn ignition on. The amber light on the EVO-ONE is solid on.
commented Jan 20, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)

Ok, I figured out that my parking lights flash in conjuction with pressing the valet button when I entered valet mode. I was able to get the SmartStart to connect to the EVO-ONE and initiate a remote start via the app. It started then immediately shut off. Then both units were dead, so I checked the 5 amp fuse and it was blown, so I replaced it and tried again. Everything works fine. I will reconfigure the pins so I can power the SmartStart from the power connector so I don't keep blowing the fuse for the EVO-ONE. Here are the pics. The first pic shows the cable I got from Best Buy with the pins configured properly. When I got it, the colors did not correspond to this configuration.

The second pic is the data link cable with the black and red pins removed so I can power the SmartStart with the fused power cable that came with it. This takes the extra load off the EVO-ONE fuse.

 

Hopefully this info helps. Thanks for your help on all this!

commented Jan 20, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)
Update: Ok, removing the red and black pins and trying to use the separate power connector did not work for some reason. I guess with the pairing process, it switches the power from the connector to the datalink cable. So I put the pins back and all is good. I'm just going to keep an eye on it. I may have to upgrade the 5 amp fuse to a 7.5 or 10.
commented Jan 20, 2015 by LaCorey Will (420 points)

Excellent pics, they help alot and will most likely help others in the future.

 

Leave the pins as you have them in the first picture. Just change that 5A fuse. If it's blowing it's because the (+)Start, (+)Ignition and (+)accessory and the SmartStart are actually pulling more than 5A total. If you want to test the total current draw, you need a Clamp Ampmeter unless you have a multimeter that can handle more than 10Amps (just incase the setup pulls more than 10Amps). At this point though, just stick a 7.5, 10 or 15A in there and you should be good to go.

commented Jan 20, 2015 by Robert T (300,090 points)

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