EVO-ONE Questions

Question

I want to use EVO-ALL or EVO-ONE with a passive keyless entry with push button start system on a 2014 ford mustang.  Before I buy EVO I have a few questions to be sure it will work for my application.

I intend to design a PKE push button start unit or just buy a system.

EVO-ALL:

If the unlock, lock inputs (A2, A3) are toggled, do they send a canbus command that will unlock or lock the vehicle?

I see connections to START,  Ignition and ACC in the wiring diagrams of EVO-ALL (and I see diodes), but my understanding is that it does not have enough high power relays to actually control these.  What does EVO-ALL do with these connections?

Can EVO-ALL control the horn via Canbus?  (it seems to be supported by the serial interface according to https://flyingcarsandstuff.com/projects/evolink/evolink-usage/

Do you see any issue with controlling EVO-ALL by the serial port using this software library: https://flyingcarsandstuff.com/projects/evolink/evolink-usage/

 

EVO-ONE

I think I rather use EVO-ONE since it would seem to have the relays to be able to control START, Ignition and ACC.  Does EVO-ONE support an external remote starter unit as EVO-ALL?  (I ask because I would need many of the same signals for the PKE push button start unit)

Does it have the same unlock / lock inputs?

Can I control EVO-ONE by the serial port with the software library of https://flyingcarsandstuff.com/projects/evolink/evolink-usage/

thank you in advance

Answer 1

The Evo-All was never designed to be used with aftermarket PTS systems, it is an immobilizer bypass designed to be used in conjuction with an aftermarket remote starter that will start the keep the vehicle running for about 15mins at a time (probably longer for diesel vehicles) OR in standalone mode. It was never tested in a situation where let's say a person can go for a 8 hour drive.

 

The Evo-All is designed to shut down once the preprogrammed runtime has elapsed or the client shuts it down remotely or enters the vehicle (takeover only available on certain vehicles) Once the footbrake has been depressed.

We have had people try to use the evo-all in conjunction with existing aftermarket PTS systems namely ADVANCE KEY, and there are issues, example  no way to just turn on ACCESSORY if you just wanted to listed to the radio withour starting the vehicle.

 

Using the software in the link you provided is at your own risk, if ever you need tech support during the installation, we will be either very limited or be unable to help you since you will be attempting an installation that is not a supported way of using the product.

 

With that out of the way, here are the answers to your questions:

EVO-ALL

1.Yes, the purple and purple/white wires are analog (-) input for lock and unlock, once triggered, they will send the appropriate can-bus commands.

2.The diodes are there to prevent current from feeding back from the ACC and IGN circuits to one another. Adn NO, this vehicle is not a high current vehicle, which is why an evo-all can be used in standalone mode. (This vehicle is low current) All connections on the red relay connector are responsible for powering up and starting the vehicle.

3 The evo-all cannot control the horn via canbus in this particular vehicle, hardwiring will be required.

4.See previous comment above about using 3rd party softwares to control the evo unit.

Evo One

1. You cannot use the EVO-ONE in conjuction with another remote starter unit (aftermarket PTS are just basically remote starters with a PTS and smart key security) Since the EVO-ONE itself is a remote starter and bypass all in one unit, It can only be controlled via RF, telematics and/or OEM remotes.

2. There are no analog doorlock inputs on an EVO-ONE, because as stated earlier it is a remote starter system.

3. Same answer as for the Evo-ALL

Thank you,

Comments

Thank you so much for taking the time to provide such a detailed answer.  Much appreciated.

you say that the 2014 ford mustang is "this vehicle is not a high current vehicle, which is why an evo-all can be used in standalone mode. (This vehicle is low current)"

But I am confused because this is not what I see in the wiring diagrams for my vehicle.  How much current are the relays in EVO--all rated for?  The starter connection I would suspect is low current since it goes to the PCM and then to the starter relay.  But the Ignition and ACC are powering a bunch of stuff in the car, the 1A diodes should not work.

I assume that I will need the flash link to change the configuration of EVO-ALL serial communications protocol and perhaps other aspects of configuration.

Does the alarm disarm/ arm function simply send a canbus command or does it go through the sequence described here: https://fortin.ca/en/qa/13493/2014-ford-f-150-door-lock

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Your vehicle is a low current vehcle, we have done tests with an ampmeter and our current solution works in your vehicle, Do not judge the circuit by the fuses in the diagrams since the vehicle drives all the other accessories via relays and the junction box (SJB)

The Flashlink Updater-2 is needed to change options and firmwares in the evo unit

 

The OEM alarm is NOT controlled via CANBUS, exactly as described in the link you provided, it is controlled via the doorlook wires and doorpin and the immobiliser codes and ignition.

 

Thank you,

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thanks again for taking the time to respond to my questions.

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one more question, you mention 15 minutes above, is there is timer in EVO-ALL that would shutoff the engine after 15 minutes or some other time?

I realize you cannot guarantee per above, but heorectically speaking is there anything in the EVO-ALL design that would  prevent it from running the car indefinitely?  (that would prevent it from working as a bypass for a keyless / push button start system, theoretically speaking).  Again I realize that I would have to conduct my own testing to be sure.

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The timer is built into the evo all and is active when the evo unit is used in "standalone" mode (option D1 ON)

If the evo is "slaved" to another unit, example a 3rd party remote starter, then then the timer in that module is the one that is followed.

In your case, as mentioned before, the evo was never tested to stay on for longer than the usual runtime of aftemarket remote starters. The only way I can see to minimize the load on the evo all would be for you to follow guide number 34451

In this type of install, the evo will simply do immobilzer bypass and statuses via can bus. the vehicle will be completely powered up by your pts system.

 

Thank you,